The Truth Behind Ionizers and Titanium Platinum

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This is a truthful and honest look at the top 5 water ionizer companies and their top of the line products-

The Tyent mmp 7070
The KYK Genesis
The Jupiter Athena
The Life 7500
The Enagic SD-501

We expose them all and help you to determine which ionizer is best for you!

I would like to start by saying that we have intentionally left out other water ionizers and other water ionizer companies because we are only concerned about the best ionizers out there.  The reason behind this is the end result, which is your health.  Your health is your #1 priority! By this point we should all know how important alkalizing the body is with good -ORP water and the amazing health benefits that go with it.

Because it is easy to manipulate data such as -ORP values even by using an approved ORP meter, I have intentionally left out this information. Instead, and more importantly, I will be presenting useful and factual information based on plate size, quality of construction, transformers, the fine print in the warranty and other useful information.  This is the type of information that no other ionizer review company dares to ask.

The Moment of Truth: Virtually all ionizers will produce good alkaline water straight out of the box.  The real test comes three to six months down the road.

Again, the ultimate goal in choosing any ionizer is the end result that is your health.  Therefore, purchasing an ionizer that is less than par is throwing your money away.  If your ionizer stops producing healthy alkaline water, then you have been scammed out of your money, your time and your health!

The purpose of this article is to separate fact from fiction, because…

It’s not what they tell you. It’s what they’re not telling you that matters!

 

Hard Water – An Ionizers biggest enemy!

 

Without a doubt, the number 1 enemy of any water ionizer is hard water. This alone can make an ionizer useless in a matter of only 2 or 3 months if not properly cared for.

View the map to the left.  This map is made possible by the USEPA and shows the concentration of hard water in the United States. Hard water literally covers one half of the continental U.S. alone.  Chances are if you live within the white and red areas then your ionizer will be fighting for its life- its useful life!  If you live within the purple areas, then there is good chance your ionizer may hold up for a few years or more.

Picture this in your own life. In hard water areas, minerals and scaling build up very easily on shower walls, tiles, etc. and is very difficult to remove.  This is the exact same thing going on with your electrolysis plates and why a good scaling remover is vital for any ionizer.  Scaling is even more of a problem on electrolysis plates because of the electrical positive and negative plates that attract mineral deposits on these plates.

In speaking to specialists, I found that the calcium is enhanced to a degree in that it becomes very hard.  If you have an ionizer or drink ionized water, you will have noticed that over a period of only a month the plastic container that you use will start to cake on the deposits.  In many cases, pouring some white vinegar in the plastic container will clean off those calcium deposits.

In the case of electrolysis plates, however, it is even more of a problem because of the positive and negative forces that attract these particles making it very difficult to clean off especially in hard water States. If not taken care of, many electrolysis plates will and have become useless.

On the home page, we talked about the most important element of any Water Ionizer being the Platinum/ Titanium plates. This is by far the most important feature because with out it your water ionizer would be worthless.

The second most important feature would be the heating element such as the Transformer or SMPS (Switched Mode Power Supply) and the third being the warranty.  As you are reading this report, my job is to keep you focused on these three components because they are the most important and should be at the top of your requirements when deciding which ionizer to purchase.

Look at the photos below.  This is a picture of a water ionizer chamber and what can happen to the electrolysis chamber over a period of time.  The electrolysis plates simply eroded away and have to do more with design flaw than actual hard water.  These pictures are a sober reminder of why choosing the right machine is so critical for your health.


Electrolysis Plates – Solid vs. Mesh!

 


O
ne of the hottest topics in the ionizer wars is the topic of Solid vs. Mesh.

Of the 5-ionizer companies, only one uses the solid plate – Enagic (Kangen Water) and one company has it as an upgrade – Life Ionizers.  The other 3 ionizers use mesh exclusively- Jupiter, KYK and Tyent.  The picture to the right is a typical picture of mesh plating.

 


Mesh Plates!

 


Mesh Plates increases the surface area of its plates thus improving its performance but only by slight variations. As you can see from the picture, mesh plating is simply a process of stamping thin titanium/ Platinum plates or, to put it another way, punching holes through thin plates. With mesh plating I have found that the cons outweigh the pros for a number of  reasons.

First off, all water Ionizer companies are Assembly Manufacturers with the exception of Enagic.  Enagic (Kangen water) is the only Ionizer Company that does not outsource any of their products.  They are all made in-house.  All Assembly Manufacturers, on the other hand, outsource their parts from different regions- typically Korea and Taiwan and then are assembled in Korea, Japan or other places.

Most, if not all mesh plates, are made from the manufacturer in Korea by the name of Emco Tech manufacturing.  To my knowledge, Mesh plates are made from Emco Tech whereas solid plates are produced from Kobe Steel located in Japan.  Emco Tech manufactures their mesh plates as follows:

First, they take a large thin titanium sheet ( approximately 4′ x 5′) and spray both sides with platinum typically only spraying the platinum with one coat for one obvious reason – cost cutting!  The reason behind this is that Platinum at around $1,000 to $1,500/ounce and is by far the most expensive part of any water ionizer and because Emco Tech manufacturing typically comes in as the low bidder, they need to keep costs down in order to be competitive.

Once the platinum dries, the large sheet is then cut up into smaller sheets and then a large machine stamps the solid plate creating a mesh plate, which increases the surface area of the sheet but at the detriment of the consumer.  This has to do with the fact that titanium is exposed.

Titanium is exposed from the stamped mesh process as well as the process of cutting the larger sheet into smaller sheets exposing all four sides.

This is a detriment to the consumer because the exposed titanium, when heated, releases particles of titanium that become “ pathogenic and disease causing” according to a study conducted by the University of British Columbia.

Imagine this! Your number one reason for purchasing a water ionizer is so that you can get healthy by drinking the alkaline water and from day one, caustic titanium particles are entering your body.  Keep this in mind!  Platinum is beneficial, Titanium is caustic!

The other flaw in the mesh plate manufacturing has to do with the expensive platinum being used sparingly.  Again, platinum is absolutely essential in order to produce alkaline water.  When it is used sparingly, the result is an inconsistent and thin layer on the plates. Over time, because of the effects of flowing water, this metal will slowly lose its effectiveness especially on mesh plating because of the peaks and valleys (holes).  As the pictures of the decayed electrolysis plates demonstrate, when water is passed over the “peaks and valleys” of the thin plates, this process causes friction thus accelerating the process of entropy or decay.  The Grand Canyon is a perfect example of the decaying process by water.

Another serious flaw I see in mesh plating is the fact that the #1 enemy of all ionizers- hard water mineral deposits, get deposited and stuck between the peaks and valleys (holes) of the plates and renders the ionizer ineffective over time if not dealt with correctly.

Again, the only reason companies use mesh plating is the increase in surface area.  It is a cost saving feature.  Less metal means greater savings!

 

Solid plates!

 


First off,
Solid plates are thicker and better constructed which means many years of trouble free use and because they are solid and smooth, that reduces the tendency of calcium and other tough minerals to get wedged in or stick simply because the plates are smooth.

Only two manufacturers incorporate Solid plates -Life and Enagic.  However, there is a big difference between the two companies.  Life ionizers is an Assembly Manufacturer and thus purchases their solid plates from the plate manufacturer who is the low bidder.  This means that the platinum plates are sprayed and cut much like the mesh plates leaving exposed caustic titanium.  Life Ionizers come standard with mesh plates and the solid plates are an upgrade feature.

Enagic, on the other hand, is not an assembly manufacturer.  Enagic takes a different approach.   Enagic manufactures and assembles everything in house with the exception of their titanium plates, which are purchased from Kobe Steel.  The titanium plates are then dipped in platinum at the Osaka manufacturing plant.  Every conceivable part is manufactured in-house including the shipping materials.  This in return increases the quality control significantly.

The manufacture of their plates are much different.  Enagic manufacturers their plates as follows:

Because the titanium plates are DIPPED into high grade platinum, there is a much heavier and consistent layer of platinum over the titanium plates.  Unlike the mesh plates, there is no exposed titanium.

Due to the overwhelming fact that the titanium/Platinum plates are the most important feature of any water ionizer, the evidence points to Enagic’s solid plates as being the most effective of the two.

Plates and Transformers – Does size matter?


The simple and direct answer is yes for a number of reasons but it is in direct proportion to the transformer or heating element. Allow me to explain.

View the picture to the left.  This is a picture of the electrolysis chamber, which houses the titanium/ platinum plates.  The chamber to the far left belongs to the SD-501, the center picture is of the Jupiter Athena and the picture to the right includes the Life electrolysis chamber.

I am sure everyone reading this has in some way heated water on a burner or stove.  Perhaps you have heated a very large pot of water in order to make spaghetti as an example.  Our ultimate goal in heating the spaghetti is the outcome of this process that is to eat spaghetti.  Is it more advantageous to place this large pot of water on a small burner or larger burner?  The obvious answer is the larger burner and more importantly a burner that is designed to handle the large pot.  Of course, the same can be said of a small pot.  This would require a smaller burner.

There really is no difference when speaking of electrolysis plates and the heating element or transformer.  The ultimate goal is to produce healthy alkaline water for the benefit of our health.  Large plates with large surface areas require a large heating element.  The result is a reliable system that will generate high amounts of alkaline, -ORP and micro-clustered water for years to come. The plate size and surface area was directly related to the amount of water that could be ionized.

As a matter of fact, when I spoke with experts, I discovered that standard tap water is highly resistant to ions and thus a greater surface area of the plates meant a lower resistance to ions resulting in a greater resistance to oxidation.  Furthermore, the quality of the plates and the materials used plays a big part in the overall performance.

Smaller electrolysis plates along with their smaller burner will produce good levels of -ORP and alkalinity when first pulled out of the box but at what cost?  The implication is the cost to your health because these units will not hold up over time because a number of factors but the most important being hard mineral deposits not to mention that the water ions are more resistant and thus less effective.

The second most important aspect affecting the electrolysis process was wattage.  The greater the power source, the greater the effectiveness of electrolysis in return producing a much greater product.

Larger quality plates and transformers are the way to go for a quality machine that will last years in the future.

There are simply no gray areas here.  A larger surface area combined with a greater power source is the way to go.


Plates and Transformers – Talk is Cheap!

 


As you know, there is a lot of cheap talk out there.  So the real question is, who has the hardware to back all of that talk?

First, let me give you a break down of plate and transformer sizes of the top of the line units by each manufacturer.  Keep in mind that one trick in the industry is to claim 7 plates.  It is not the amount of plates that are important but rather the total surface area of these plates combined. The larger the surface area, the better it is.

Along with this, keep in mind the difference between standard Transformers and SMPS that stands for Switched Mode Power Supply.  It seems like most every ionizer uses SMPS as compared to conventional Transformers.  The conventional wisdom is that Transformers are less efficient and burn hotter whereas SMPS uses a pulse that means these heating elements are more efficient and better for ionizer machines.

Though this technology seems to be more efficient, I have my doubts on the effectiveness of this technology based on reports that these units may overheat.  For example, The KYK Genesis and Tyent have Over Temperature Protectors which simply means that the “temperature detector circuit installed inside the SMPS automatically stops the device”.  This is a technical way of saying that the SMPS overheats.  At this point, I am unclear as to which transformer is best. However, it does appear that the standard transformer may be more reliable.

Here is the breakdown per Ionizer…

The calculation for the surface area of the  SD-501 is (5″ x 7″ x 2 sides x 7 plates).

As you can see there is a big variation between surface area and transformer size between the 5 top ionizers yet there are only 3 that make the grade.  The Jupiter and the Life come in a pitiful last place.

The SD-501 is the clear winner when it comes to the complete package.  In second place, KYK. In third place, The Tyent 7070.

 


Warranty Information- What’s in the small Print ?

 

Another important issue when it comes to ionizers is the Warranty.  Sometimes you can get a sense on how good a product is based upon what the warranty covers as well as what it does not cover.

So, What’s in the small print?

Tyent 7070 –  A 5-year limited parts and labor. This warranty is limited and thus is not a full warranty.

Jupiter Athena – 5-year parts and labor based on some conditions.  The first condition is to use a reverse osmosis system if in a hard water area.  If you do not use a reverse osmosis system, then your warranty becomes void. Keep in mind that reverse osmosis systems run $400 to $500 and waste 4-8 gallons of water to produce one gallon of drinking water. Additionally, many reverse osmosis filters remove beneficial minerals from drinking water and need to substitute minerals back into the water.

Assuming you follow the fine print there are some other problems I see with the warranty.  The first 3 years covers full parts and labor, yet year 4 and 5 cover free parts up to $100 max with labor being in addition.  This is a big red flag and my advice to you is to avoid this manufacturer all together.

Life 7500 – Much like Jupiter, The warranty becomes void if used in hard water states unless a reverse osmosis system is used. Additionally, Life may void the warranty on other grounds.

Their warranty states, ” All machines that are used for high volume applications such as weight loss/ fitness, etc…will void their warranty”  So how many gallons are considered high volume?  Maybe 10? 5?   We really don’t know and when talking with the Reps., they shy away from addressing this question.  My advice is to avoid this company all together.  This is another huge red flag.

KYK Genesis – a 5yr limited parts and labor.  This is a limited warranty.  Not a full warranty.

Enagic SD-501- a full 5-year warranty based on the condition that you use the 100% organic citrus acid cleaner filter twice a year.  The 100% organic citrus acid cleaner filter is a filter that Enagic requires to be used twice a year in order to remove the mineral deposits off its titanium/ platinum plates.

Using this filter essentially restores the electrolysis plates to a new and pristine state that means that one can expect this machine to last 15 to 25 years.  However, even these machines have their problems with very hard water.  After spending some time on the phone with Enagic headquarters, I discovered that in very hard water areas even the SD-501’s electrolysis chamber, in some cases, cannot handle the mineral deposits and as a result the electrolysis chambers need to be cleaned profesionally by the Company.  The good news about this is that the Company only charges $35 for this service.

You can imagine, if The SD-501 is having problems with very hard water, then the other ionizers with half to a third its plating size don’t have a chance.  The big difference is that the other companies will charge upwards of $700 to $800 to replace damaged electrolysis chambers. Watch out! Check with your local water authority before purchasing.

This is why I feel that the 100% acid cleaner is necessary and beneficial.  This cleaner works great in keeping the electrolysis plates like new, however, as you discovered it still cannot perform with 100% certainty in all conditions. To make my point, NO WATER IONIZER CAN PERFORM WELL UNDER THESE CONDITIONS!  Extra precaution and care is needed in very hard water areas.  This is the information most ionizer companies don’t want you to know!

After all, it is not prudent to think that 4.0 to 2.5 pH acid water produced by the ionizer will effectively clean off all the hard mineral deposits from the electrolysis plates.  Keep this in mind the next time you are cleaning of the hard water from your shower walls.  In order for it to work effectively, the acid needs to be a corrosive acid.  The 100% organic acid cleaner is a corrosive acid cleaner.

Aside from spending an additional $36/year for the 100% organic acid cleaner, I believe that this is a very important feature for any ionizer and worth the extra expense.  Keep in mind that if a water ionizer does not have a corrosive acid cleaner then you might be able to use distilled white vinegar to clean the scaling off the plates.  In my opinion, this is critical if you decide to purchase a machine with smaller plates.  Please check with the warranty first before attempting this.

Based on the warranties, I find that Enagic is the strongest of the 5 with Tyent and KYK coming in second and third.

 


Jupiter and Life fail to meet expectations!

 


At this point it should be obvious based on what has been presented thus far that Jupiter and Life ionizers simply do not hold up.  As a matter of fact, they have failed miserably on all levels.  Again, our objective is to discover the most reliable ionizers out there.  Thus, I am not including them with the rest of the study.

I base my judgment on the following criteria…

The quality of the platinum/ titanium plates.

The total surface area of the Platinum/Titanium plates should be substantial.

The total wattage of the heating element should match the plate size.

The Product Warranty should protect the consumer, Not The Company!

 


Strong Acid Water!

 


There is a lot of talk between the water ionizer companies of making strong acid and strong alkaline water.  But what are the benefits and which companies are making false statements?

First off, In order to kill off 99.99% of all pathogens, viruses, germs and bacteria, strong acid water below 2.6 pH must be used.  There is only one company that produces the strong acid water below 2.6pH and that is the Enagic Company.  They are able to do this through their electrolysis enhancer tank that simply means that a sodium chloride solution is added to the water automatically when producing strong acid water.  The end result is acid water that kills 99.99% of viruses, germs, bacteria, salmonella, ects.

It seems to me that the amazing power behind the Strong Acid and Strong Alkaline lies partly in its ability to incorporate  the sodium chloride.  As we all know from science class, using a salt solution will transform strong alkaline water into sodium hydroxide and strong acid into hypochlorous acid.  For this reason, I feel that Enagic knew what they were doing when they incorporated the electrolysis enhancer tank.  My only problem is that they have chosen to incorporate sodium hypochlorite which is damaging to the body if consumed.


One of the advantages of owning your own ionizer should be your ability to produce strong acid and strong alkaline water.  Notice the picture to the right.  This is a picture of a person who was suffering from a skin condition that ordinary medicine was unable to cure.  This person’s skin condition has shown remarkable improvement as a direct result of applying strong Acid water.  Is a machine that produces strong acid water important to you?


Strong Alkaline Water!

 

Strong alkaline water is great for stripping the oilly pesticides and insecticides right off of fruits and vegetables.  Notice the pictures of the tomatoes.  The tomatoes to the right have the strong alkaline water and the ones to the left have tap water.  You can see the pesticides in the water that were stripped off thanks to the strong alkaline water.

No other water ionizers’ can do this effectively and most are not able to do it at all.  The Tyent mmp-7070 comes close to producing acid water at 3.0 pH and an alkaline water of 11.0 pH.

Here is the breakdown:

Tyent 7070- Acid water 6.0 to 3.0 pH and Strong Alkaline water up to 11.0 pH

KYK Genesis- Acid water 6.0 to 4.0 pH and Strong Alkaline water up to 10.0 pH.

Enagic SD-501- Acid water 5.5 pH to 2.6 pH and Strong Alkaline water up to 11.4pH

It looks like Enagic is the only company that produces the highest level of acid and alkaline water.

Tyent comes in a close 2nd.  KYK Genesis, on the other hand should not make claims that their machines will produce strong acid water that kills off viruses nor should they make claims that their strong alkaline water will strip oily pesticides and insecticides off of fruits and vegetables.

 


The Good, the Bad and the Ugly!

 


We have already experienced the Ugly and that was Jupiter and Life Ionizers.  Now we need to see the good and the bad of the remaining three.

Tyent 7070 (The Good) Warning voice display, filter change alarm, registered with the Korea food and drug administration ( KFDA), one touch automatic water dispense, warning voice display, filter change alarm, produces 2 liters/ minute.

Tyent 7070 (The Bad) Auto water shut off.  Water supply shuts down after 5 minutes of use.  This comes across as a benefit yet it is a feature that keeps the unit from overheating.  This is a big red flag that should not be overlooked.  You want an ionizer that will not shut down if at all possible.  You want an ionizer that can handle what you throw at it. Assembly manufacturer.  The Tyent 7070 is very large in size and may be encumbersome in ones kitchen.

KYK Genesis (The Good) 76 programmable ph and orp, automatic ph & orp controls, produces 2 liters/ minute

KYK Genesis (The Bad) Over Temperature Protector: Circuit installed inside the SMPS automatically stops the device.  Over Current Detector:  Automatically stops the output of electrolytic cells.  These two things are a big red flag.  Again you want an ionizer you can depend on, not one that is shutting down every 5 minutes. Assembly manufacturer

Enagic SD-501 (The Good) produces up to 7.6 liters/ minute. ( outstanding by the way) An audio voice that can be deactivated. The audio voice indicates many things such as filter change, strong acid water, pH water, ects.  No auto shut off because they don’t overheat. Good for large volume applications such as water stores, Self cleaning after every 15 minutes of use. Enagic recently introduced their Under the Counter model known as the SD-501U.

All production is in house.  Has been in business producing water ionizers for over 35 years.

Enagic SD-501 (The Bad) No programmable pH and -ORP adjustments, No automatic water flow adjustments, will not produce alkaline water in cleaning mode, uses Sodium Chloride and Sodium Hypochlorite solution in order to fill the enhancement tank in order to produce High Acid and High Alkaline waters.  I am not exactly clear on the benefit behind this with the exception of being able to produce the high 2.6 pH acid and 11.4 pH Alkaline waters.  I am unclear on why Sodium Hypochlorite is used and see it as a negative.

 


Our Recommendation!

 


Our recommendation to you is to purchase a quality machine for your health with your pocket book in mind that means finding the best value for your money.

There is no need to waste your money on a product that will not work effectively nor work at all.  Based on the facts that I have laid out, My Top 4 Recommendation are….

#1 The Enagic SD-501 at $3,980.00

This is by far, the best ionizer on the market.  You cannot go wrong in purchasing this machine that makes claims of a useful life between 15 to 25 years.  This unit is absolutely recommended and is a must in hard to very hard water areas.

#2 The Enagic Levellux DX II at $3280.00

We consider this ionizer to be the best value! (best product for the price) This is Enagic’s second best ionizer that is basically the same  as the SD-501 with two noticeable differences. First, it has two less titanium/ platinum plates that means that it has a total of 5 plates with a surface area of 350 square inches.  (This passes the Tyent 7070 which only has 245 sq. in. of plate surface area.)  Second, it does not have an audio voice.

#3 The Enagic Levellux JR II at $2,380

The Levellux JR II is the same as The SD-501 with two noticeable differences.  First, This machine has a total of 3 large platinum/ titanium plates with a total surface area of 210 sq inches.  Like the Levellux DX II it has no audio voice, but is like the SD-501 in every other way.

#4 The Tyent 7070 priced between $1,995 and $2,495

I hesitantly see myself compromising on this one, but also realize that there will be those who demand different features and price that Enagic simply does not have. However, I do not recommend this unit in hard or very hard water conditions.  Be sure to check your local water authority on the hardness of your water.

I would not recommend any other products besides these four unless your budget does not allow for it.  At that point, you are on your own.  If you decide to purchase an inferior unit, then you will pay the price later.

Be sure to check back every so often as I plan to test other ionizers that enter the market.



The Guidelines used for our decision!

 


After getting burned by purchasing an inferior ionizer, I decided to do some due diligence on the best ionizer on the market.  After spending approximately 6 months off and on with watching videos, reading articles, asking specialists, calling companies and speaking with Representatives,  I finally had the information I needed to make a strong case.

I even went so far as to speak with owners of other ionizer review sites and the bottom line was they were only interested in selling ionizers, any ionizer no matter if it was junk or not. Period!

This infuriated me because people were counting on their opinions to purchase the best ionizers for their health. I also found out that these ionizer review sites made the most money when they trash talked the top Ionizers that being Enagic’s SD-501.

I can now say with 100% certainty that my results are true and correct.  So, I decided to publish this information and make it public for the benefit of those who read it.

So, allow me to go into the reasons I choose the Top 4.  My decision was based on the following guidelines.

1.    The size of the plates in surface area.
2.    The consistency and amount of platinum on the plates.
3.    Solid vs. Mesh Plating
4.    The power supply energizing the plates.
5.    The quality of the plates and machine in general
6.    The Warranty
7.    The Company
8.    The Reputation of that Company.

There are obviously other factors besides the ones presented, but these proved to be the best guidelines when choosing an ionizer that would be worth it.

Some of the compelling reasons I choose Enagic besides what has already been covered is the Company itself.  Enagic is a reliable and honorable Company that is truly out to build the best machines.

There are many hospitals in Japan that use the SD-501 to help treat disease and other ailments with the alkaline water as well as with the strong acid water.  Enagic’s reputation rests with these hospitals and doctors and is recognized by a non-profit organization in Japan made up of over 6,500 doctors.  Along with this, they have many certificates and awards for their outstanding products and performance.  Enagic is a first class company!

On top of this, The Japanese Government (The Minister of health, Labor and Welfare) recognizes the SD-501 as a medical device.  This agency is much like our F.D.A. in the States.

Another thing that impressed me about these machines were how well they were built and the materials they used were all manufactured on site in Osaka, Japan.

Additionally, these machines can produce an unlimited amount of water and will not overheat.  After witnessing the flaws of the competition, my final conclusion is that you can not go wrong with this Company or its products.

We welcome your comments and e-mails.

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Sherri,Chanson is one of the ionizers I have been looking into. In my opinion, I do consider it a household appliance and not on the same level as the Kangen models for a few good reasons. One thing to consider is the amount of time the electrolysis chamber is allowed to remain on. In the case of Chanson, it is only 20 minutes. Keep in mind that Tyent is between 5 to 10 minutes. There are no limitations with the Kangen units. I hope this helps.

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Hello Tom!I helped Jesse “Shock the World”.  I had gone door to door where I live.  People in their sixties who had never voted told me they were going to vote for one office and one candidate, Jesse Ventura.

No one I talked to at Jesse’s election night party thought he had any chance at all to be elected including Jesse, his wife, his campaign manager, his computer guru, and his numbers guy.  I was standing near Jesse when his numbers guy told him he better go downstairs and get on the 10 pm news because he had a good chance of being elected.  It looked like somebody hit him right between the eyes with a 2 x4.

I have seen all seven of Jesse’s shows.  Two years ago a friend and I shared some of the info with Jesse that was included in several of the shows.  At that time, he had no clue about any of the content of the shows except for the 911 info because he was trained to blow up reinforced concrete shore defenses as a member of the UDT.

Jesse was involved in the CIA program called Operation Phoenix in Vietnam.  He was injured badly and almost died three times.

Did you hear the speech he made at Ron Paul’s Rally that drew 15,000 people to Target Center in Mpls., when the NEOpubliCONs were having their national convention in St. Paul?

GOD SPEED TOM JENKINS!
DAMN THE TORPEDOES!!
FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

Phil Ratte
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Dear Phil,

It is refreshing to see that a man of your position as well as others would agree and come to more or less of the same conclusion as our team on the Kangen water units.

After further review and more analysis, I am finding it hard to find any real and legitimate competition with the Enagic machines inclusive of the Chanson machines from Taiwan.

As far as being included in a sworn affidavit, I must decline. I am not interested in being involved in these legal matters.

I am certainly pleased to hear about your pursuit of the truth regarding false claims from other ionizer companies as well as your run for Governor of Minnesotta. While I am on that subject, I must highly recommend the following documentary/film by which Governor Ventura is a part.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU

Exposing Governmental corruption as well as shining the light on the ionizer industry is a must.

With that said, thank you for your response and for taking action!

Tom Jenkins
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Comments: Hello Ray!

I recently contacted you.  I am a Mechanical Engineer (BME U of MN 1961).  I practiced for 27 years as a Professional Engineer in the MN and WI.

I also own a Kangen SD 501 water ionizer.  I am a distributor for Enagic.

Here is an excerpt from an email sent to a close personal friend about water ionizing machines:

“Your dad shared the “Truthful Ionizer Review” with me several days ago.  I found much of what is in that report when I did my “due diligence” on Ionized Water Machines in the last two weeks of November.  I ordered my Kangen SD 501 on November 30 with a $605 downpayment.  I made my first $225 payment on the loan on Jan. 15th.  So I have put my money where my mouth is.

Many of the claims and arguments against the Kangen units and for the various other units are inaccurate and/or false.  If I someone I have shared the Kangen information with buys one of the other machines – Tyent, Life, KYK, Jupiter, etc. because of their reliance on false statements, I will ask the Attorney General of Minnesota and the Attorney General of the United States to sue whoever lied about the other machine for criminal felony fraud.  I can and will testify as an expert witness for the prosecution.”

I am composing a sworn affidavit of my professional opinion that will be signed and dated in the presence of a Notary Public.  I am asking your permission to include a link to your “Truthful Ionizer Review” in my affidavit.  If you wish, I will send you an original affidavit for your files.

Sometime in February, I will be announcing my candidacy for Governor of Minnesota.  I will be providing FREE Miracle Healing Water in each of the 67 Counties in Minnesota and some of the major suburbs of the major cities.

I will also provide at, my cost, Miracle II Bath Soap which is 1/3 Miracle II Soap and 2/3 Miracle II Neutralizer.  Carol Lechko used the Miracle II products and fossilized Coral Calcium to rid herself of the Multiple Sclerosis which she had been treated for for 3 years.  She has now helped over 10,000 people heal themselves of 133 different disease conditions.

I am in the process of testing a gas made from plain water using electricity and magnetism that doubles the energy output of ethanol.  Minnesota has a $6 billion ethanol industry, so that will be of great importance in my Miracle Campaign for Governor.

Phil Ratte’
IRS Commissioner
Incumbent Retirement Service

Thank You for your inquiry.
The Truthful Ionizer Review Team

Form submitted from website: http://www.truthfulionizerreview.com/get-your-free-report-now.htmlName: Bill Pentz
Email: XXXXX@cnets.net
Comments: I own an Enagic SD501 and am not a dealer, only a heavy user of this machine. It has done wonders for the wellness my family, close friends and me.I also am a retired biomedical engineer and long time university instructor. My specialty is designing complex biomedical systems. I recently was inducted into a computer museum for building one of the first working microcomputer systems as part of an early 1970s medical project.As a biomedical engineer and long time health food “nut� friends told me about ionized water, but after a little research I decided that was advertizing hype so never bothered. Then a friend started dropping off bottles of Kangen water off for me to drink. I am 61 y/o and struggle with worsening diabetes side effects. When on the water my painful neuritis lessened and my chronic digestive problems vanished.

I decided to buy or build an ionizer so did some careful homework. I first determined my water needs and realized that providing water for my 23 y/o son and 25 y/o daughter plus a few friends would easily require generating 50 or more gallons a week and I was the only one who could just get water as I needed it from the machine. I needed high capacity and something tough that would last. I looked into the ionization process. Stamped and perforated plates do provide more surface contact, but also make for poor plating. Although titanium is benign meaning so safe it is used for artificial joints, everything is toxic in large enough amounts. Once the platinum wears through which will happen much quicker on stamped or perforated plates, then the ionization process will release large amounts of titanium which I would rather not have to deal with. Experience taught me that the switching power supplies lacked the amps produce very much water quickly explaining why the very low flow!
rates for most ionizers. I wanted ample capacity to also provide weekly water to my without a many hour ordeal. That meant I needed a machine with big heavy duty transformer plus large flat titanium plates. After looking over 23 available ionization machines, this left exactly one, the SD501 which is what I decided to buy simply because building one would cost as much as buying. Also, based on my projected volume and our relatively hard local water I added to my system Enagic’s triple filter system.

The Enagic multi level marketing (MLM) and high price that bothers so many bothered me none at all. Yes as a retiree I do watch my pennies, but also know what it costs to produce and market a product, particularly one with potential health benefits. First, for a company to just break even we need price our product at least six times the cost of the parts to have enough money to assemble, market, and support the product. Companies that thrive markup at least eight fold. Pepsi and Coke typically come with a more than 80 fold markup. Roughly half of that markup goes into supporting a sales team. The ionizers face another problem. These machines are quackery until someone can afford to get them approved for medical use. With more than forty years experience bringing electronic medical systems to market, often really good systems never end up in use because the certification process remains brutally expensive meaning today a minimum of $10 million up with many certification studi!
es easily hitting the $100 million mark. Many of my friends have gone bankrupt because the certification process is dominated by the established players and anything that might threaten them ends up needing just one more round of testing until the startup goes bankrupt. Frankly, today we should already have in every hospital thermograph and virtual reality scan machines to help find problems, but both continue to get killed until one of the biggies decides they want to produce such products that cut into their existing sales. Anything that helps in a broad range of areas needs certified in each area so becomes financially ruinous to get certified. Enagic brilliantly built their MLM marketing program to avoid the legal risks of advertizing claims, customer testimonials, and mind numbing costs needed to get FDA certification.

Now that I’ve had my Enagic SD502 for a while, I discovered I badly underestimated its use. Instead of the fifty gallons or so I estimated, my sharing with many friends who cannot afford systems of their own means I regularly produce 120 gallons or more per week. I am most pleased that my unit handles this volume well and quickly.

Folks, I am a very skeptical biomedical engineer with a background in this area. Had a friend not put the water in my hands and asked me to just start drinking I would have never tried it. So, Enagic with its MLM is successfully spreading a product I know from personal experience continues to help me, my family and friends. Moreover, all these really cheap imports trying to cash in on this effort don’t do much for me at all.

Bill Pentz

Form submitted from website: http://www.truthfulionizerreview.com/get-your-free-report-now.html?submit-confirmName: Leilani Plummer
Email: XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com
Comments: You haven’t even mentioned the comparison of the 4.5 or 5.5 acid water that Enagic calls beauty water. I have a skin disease that the 2.5 acid did not help but when I started soaking my wet- bandaged sores in 5.5 or 4.5 pH water for 3 days at a time, the skin healed and the sores went away. This is after 20 years of sores. I thought 2.5 was the answer but it wasn’t, it didn’t work for me. The solution was to return the skin to normal with the correct pH of 5.5. Do other machines create this? How do they compare with Enagic?Now I bathe in the 5.5 and I dump it down my back where I can’t reach to bandage. I keep my sweater wet and that area is healing but slower since I can’t keep it wet all the time or reach it to bandage it.

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